virtualizing...

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On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 14:42 -0500, Stephen Adler wrote:
> I do the same thing, run gnome, then on top of gnome/linux I run VMWare, 
> it boots into windows, then
> I run VMWare/windows client in full screen mode. The problem is that the 
> sound quality in VMWare is
> very poor due to the real time clock implementation running within 
> VMWare, so if I try to run any kind
> of multi-media application I get poor results. Thus I want to get one 
> level closer to the hardware through
> full virtualization and hopefully have good multi-media on both Linux 
> and Windows. The ideal setup
> would be one in which I can run my full desktop on gnome/Linux and then 
> switch over to Windows and
> then run a full GL video game....
> 

YEah - tried that but VMWARE also does not support DirectX of any
significant number (8,9,10), so most games are out (specifically
Warcraft III which I used to play. I spoke to VMware and they told me
thay had no intentions of supporting DirectX in the foreseeable
future ...

IF games on Windows is your only windows thing, then I hope you got in
on the CrossOver-Games lame-duck  givaway thing ... as I have played
MANY windows games (including Warcraft III) under it. in fact I also ran
WC3 using Cadega and got a better experience that under windows (no time
drag on the mouse, so it was was more responsive and exact !) 

Sound under VMware sucks too, for the reasons stated above... but the
concept you were looking for _is_ possible, it may just take som
fiddling ...

:)

Richard




> ref wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 12:40 -0500, John Abreau wrote:
> >   
> >> You can always run a second X session on another console, and
> >> run the Windows guest expanded to full-screen within that.
> >> Something like
> >>
> >>     startx /usr/bin/twm -- :1
> >>
> >> Then toggle between them with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F8.
> >> If you don't specify an alternate startup item like twm, then
> >> gnome will notice that you're already running a gnome session,
> >> and exit from the :1 session immediately.
> >>
> >>     
> > I do this a lot with VMware. Once gnome boots up and I ahve my desktop,
> > I open vmware. When XP boots, I run it full screen. Then to get back to
> > Gnome I hit trl-AltF7, and to get to windows I need o use Ctrl-Alt-F8.
> > It really is rather nifty for me as I do a lot of web development, and
> > need to see what output looks like on windows systems, but do all my
> > work in Linux (Currently Ubuntu 8.10, which so far is great)
> >
> > I have also added ano0ther logged on user, and then had my desktop on
> > CA-F7, Windows on CA-f8, and my g/f's desktop on CA-F9
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >   
> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Stephen Adler <adler-wRvlPVLobi1/31tCrMuHxg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Thanks Bill,
> >>>
> >>> My home system is a core 2 quad Q9550. I believe it has the features
> >>> needed to support full virtualization. (vmx)
> >>>
> >>> The bit which puzzles me, is how do the virtual machine share the
> >>> graphics adapter? Is there some kind of virtual adaptor which which
> >>> multiplexes down to the physical adapter? Or are the virtual systems
> >>> running in a console-less mode and direct their output to some virtual
> >>> serial port?
> >>>
> >>> Bill Bogstad wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Stephen Adler <adler-wRvlPVLobi1/31tCrMuHxg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm thinking I may take on virtualization as my holiday hobby. But
> >>>>> before I do, I was wondering if the following concept actually applies
> >>>>> to the linux zen kernels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           
> >>>> I assume you actually mean Xen.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Can I have linux and windows running virtually, on my desktop, and
> >>>>> through some hot key, switch between then, console and all? In other
> >>>>> words, say I'm running Linux in full desktop mode, with gnome running
> >>>>> and icons on my desktop splashed across my dual monitor setup. Then by
> >>>>> typing I dunno F12 or what ever, it switches to a windows desktop, where
> >>>>> windows explorer now controls my dual monitor desktop and windows icons
> >>>>> are splashed cross my dual monitor setup?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           
> >>>> It depends.  Since Microsoft doesn't support Xen paravirtualization,
> >>>> you have to use full virtualization.
> >>>> Xen only supports this on CPUs which have some hardware support for
> >>>> virtualization.
> >>>> Not all AMD or Intel CPUs do.  See this random  web link for some more
> >>>> info on this subject:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://bobcares.com/index.php/blog/?p=121
> >>>>
> >>>> Bottom Line:  On the wrong CPU you can't use Xen at all to run Windows...
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Bogstad
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         
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