ubuntu isn't /that/ special [was: Re: fedora 7]

[eugene.gorelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Eugene Gorelik)]

Kristian,

I think everyone respects your opinion, but you are the one who started
Ubuntu discussion in Fedora 7 topic and insisted that everyone should try
Ununtu.
There is nothing wrond with Ubuntu, but I think a lot of people haven't
tried it because of one of the following reasons:

- Most of the professionals are not using Ubuntu at work and prefer to have
the same distro on their PC's which they use at work
- People are busy and don't have time to play with new Linux distribution,
just because someone said that it's cool
- It is unlikely that Ubuntu will have the same commercial success as RedHat
or SuSe and that's mean that companies won't pay you for that.
- sys admins don't care about nice desktop effects which Ununtu or any
other OS provides. I spend 99% of a time working with command line tools and
not going to switch to other OS because it has some nice GUI features.

- Eugene

On 6/4/07, Kristian Hermansen <kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> On 6/4/07, Matthew Gillen <me-5yx05kfkO/aqeI1yJSURBw at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Does that somehow make what he said any less true?
>
> Jarod's statement "s/Ubuntu Feisty/Any Modern Distro/" is the issue,
> not his facts about Fedora...
>
> > So people aren't allowed to state facts if they haven't tried Ubuntu
> first?
> >  All he was saying is that Fedora has Desktop Effects, and likely just
> about
> > any other modern distro does too.  Why would I have to try Ubuntu to
> know that?
>
> You don't.  I never said you needed to.  But someone was looking for a
> slick interface easily and Feisty offers that support with one mouse
> click via "Enable Desktop Effects".  That is a fact and why I
> suggested it.  If Fedora/SuSE does the same just that easily, then I
> would also recommend them.  Do either FC7 or latest SuSE offer a
> one-click "Desktop Effects" option?  Please let me know if I have
> missed that.
>
> Features like compiz/beryl belong to "Any Modern Distro" because it is
> all the same source.  We all know this.  The question then becomes
> ease of use and the interface for the consumer...
>
> Older people seem to have a disliking for Ubuntu just because it is
> the new (and most popular) kid on the block.  I have been running
> Linux for a very long time also, so I am not just a guy who picked up
> Ubuntu last week and found Jesus.  I have run just about anything out
> there for some amount of time, going back to Red Hat 5, which is the
> first distro I actually used significantly.  Some of you may have been
> running Slackware or Debian before my time, but I'm not that far off.
> I started with Linux in 1996 or so on an old beat up 386 desktop.  Or
> was it a machine with a separate math-coprocessor?  I forget.  Might
> even have been a Cyrix!
>
> In any event, I have run Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo, Lycoris,
> Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware, etc etc for at least enough time to learn
> each distro's nuances.  In the end, it is all just Linux.   I found
> Ubuntu the month it came out (October 2004), and switched to it from
> Gentoo.  I had surgery on my leg to remove some melanoma (cancerous
> mole), and I had some time to kill.  In about three months, I realized
> that Ubuntu was the distro with the best laptop hardware support hands
> down.  Soon after, I switched to amd64 from i386 versions.
>
> The reason I suggest Ubuntu to so many is that I found more people
> come back and say to me that Fedora did not work properly for them on
> their laptop, but that Ubuntu did.  Many times it came down to X not
> properly being configured, by default, for their widescreen laptop.
> And that's what newbies want.  Something that works out of the box.
> If they weren't newbies, they would be hacking the configs themselves
> and my opinion, by that time, is irrelevant.  So, yes, I generally
> suggest Ubuntu over Fedora and others because in my time I have found
> it to, generally, met the expectations of the people I have suggested
> it to when maybe Fedora or SuSE failed them.  Maybe things have
> changed dramatically with FC7.  However, my point is that no one
> should take any one's opinion, even Jarod's or mine, as gospel.
> Everyone should try everything, if they have the time.  That's how you
> form a good solid basis for opinion.  In college, I had a lot of time
> to play with things.  And now you have my opinions, however much you
> feel that they are incorrect.  They are just opinions and my
> suggestions should be valued as such.  Go forth and learn more and
> more because GNU/Linux gives you that freedom...
> --
> Kristian Hermansen
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