what is going on?

[jabr at tarnhelm.blu.org (John Abreau)]

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Robert Luoma wrote:

> 
> Is the mailer broken on blue?

Nope. This is one of the infamouse Microsoft Mail bugs. The address
"jduksta at ltnpo1.xyplex.com" does not exist, and from what I see in the
mail headers, this is a MSMAIL server. MSMAIL ignores the proper headers
for sending errors, and just blindly assumes the FROM address is the place
to send errors. Microsoft refuses to acknowledge the bug, claiming that
each component of MSMAIL, when examined separately, complies with the
RFCs. 

According to their interpretation, the headers that define the errors-to
address are stripped out of the message by the MSMAIL server before being
delivered to the end user mailbox, which they feel is OK; and when the end
user replies, those headers are not there, and therefore the behavior is
compliant.

Unfortunately, there is no solution to this problem other than encouraging
end users to throw away MSMAIL and use a real mail system.
 
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> [002] Mail was received for unknown addresses.
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> Subject: mgetty with fax   HOWTO?
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> 
> I cannot get mgetty to accept faxes,
> even though "fax answer" works in its
> place in /etc/inittab
> 
> I get the dreaded FCON (sp?) errors...
> 
> Has anyone gotten this program to work
> while both data dial-in and FAX
> 
> I am using the Practical Peripherals 28.8 FAX/modem
> 
> (data dial-in works just fine)
> 
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