------------------------------- Wed Dec 15 06:43:09 PM EST 2021 ------------------------------- Transcript of Chat box from BLU meeting, Wed, Dec 15, 2021 Meeting held online via Jitsi Meet In attendance (21 total): Speaker(s): * Brian DeLacey * Kurt Keville BLU officers: * John Abreau * Jerry Feldman * Bill Ricker Attendees (named): * Arnold Peterson * Benjamin Li * Bill Bogstad * Bob Frankston * Brendan Kidwell (NYC) * Jonathan Finger * Jon "maddog" Hall * Paul Jameson Attendees (anonymous): * Ed * Josh * Michael I * Eric C * Curt * Jastiv * rs * Ryzen3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Li Benjamin Li says:Hey Kurt, I don't have a mic, but how are you? 18:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fellow Jitster Fellow Jitster says:No audio here. 18:35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fellow Jitster Fellow Jitster says:No audio, frozen video. 18:38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Ok now. 18:39 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston Bob Frankston says: https://rmf.vc/Voipinflection 18:40 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:This looks like a new version of jitsi... 18:43 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:To solve your 256 device limit you might look into installing OpenWRT on your home router. 18:49 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell (NYC) Brendan Kidwell (NYC) says:the critical feature of VS Code for me is its split operation mode with a server next to your code project and a client on a display. they can be on different hosts. 18:50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:I also switched from Atom to Code 18:51 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian DeLacey Brian DeLacey says:hi Brian DeLacey says:I'm on the other BrianD Brian DeLacey says:Can you unmute the other brian Brian DeLacey says:okay let's see 19:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Is there a Jitsi volume control? 19:03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:lol 19:04 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:I turned down the volume for Brian, but it's still coming in with vibrations. Ed says:OK now. 19:06 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Li Benjamin Li says:๐Ÿ‘ 19:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:I'd try it, if it were easy to do. Power supply is main concern. 19:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:๐Ÿ‘ 19:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:@Ed, it isn't too big a deal. modern PC builds are like lego blocks 19:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:๐Ÿ‘ 19:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:๐Ÿ‘ 19:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:๐Ÿ‘ 19:10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:I've been building a laptop. now that one is interesting. Although, laptops are now being made modularly, like those toughbooks or the new "framework" laptop 19:10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:๐Ÿ˜ฎ 19:10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:The lowend Inland 120GB may bottle neck your system, if it is very low quality flash, eg noncontigous remapping 19:12 Also Josh says:could have saved on the MS10Pro Josh says:๐Ÿ˜› 19:13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Was curious as to how the Inland SATA SSD's perform. 19:13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:Someone here is probably Happy to supply a Gentoo or Ubuntu DVD to replace that win10pro if you need to shave another 149 19:14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:@Ed, As it has been explained to me and I understand it, Inlands are EXCELLENT value, BUT they are the built from the flash that don't pass muster sufficiently (fabrication process is stocastic). So rather than throw away, sell for cheaper under separate name. Usually this at max means lower storage volume, but it can also result in "potholes" resulting in things that would be otherwise contiguous speedups , not speeding up 19:17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Are all your tests single threaded? 19:17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:i use them some times. but be aware of that if doing performace stuffs 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:I think we have a Gentoo speaker here.. maybe not tonight ... but Aaron comes to a lot of meetings... 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:@Josh Understood, thx. 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:I use Gentoo for my COMSOL simulations 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:np 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:COMSOL... ugh ... huge license cost,yes? 19:19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:above my paygrade, but yes... I believe it is a $$$ 19:19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:and they break it up 19:19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:so it is a bunch of separate $$$ modules. 19:20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you know a FOSS way to run antenna, SAR, and EEG simulation, let me know please 19:22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FEM isn't bad in FreeCAD and other FOSS tools 19:22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Be careful when buying rust drives to avoid SMR media. They do not play well with many use cases that Linux users might have. 19:22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:Hmmm.... (kurt is typing)... 19:22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:@Bill, such as? 19:23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where are all your lights ? 19:24 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:RAID systems can timeout because they can have horrible write performances due to how they do writes. A year or two ago WD were roasted for chaning to SMR drives for some of hteir "NAS" rated drives and things did not work out well. Generally this is only a probelm for large >4G drives. 19:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker Bill Ricker says:sorry i'm late 19:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:>4G large? Josh says:did you mean 4T? 19:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker Bill Ricker says: https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/docs/user-guide/keyboard-shortcuts 19:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Sorry yes 4T 19:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:got it Josh says:Thanks for explaining 19:26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:middle one is super useful 19:26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:You can find lots of stuff about SMR online for more details 19:26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:*magneticpickuptool 19:26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:I have a 40" 4K TV in front of me right now. 19:27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:yeah you can read text on 4k. i was surprised. 19:27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell (NYC) Brendan Kidwell (NYC) says:what are coaxial jacks for? 19:28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:How did you configure Ubuntu to use the NVME? 19:28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell (NYC) Brendan Kidwell (NYC) says:ah, for microwave antenna. got it. thanks. 19:28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:i mean optimally 19:28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:you installed to it right? 19:29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:did you break the \home onto the SSD, and the VAR, Temp etc into the HDD? Josh says:/home Josh says:/var Josh says:/etc * 19:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell (NYC) Brendan Kidwell (NYC) says:I bought a Staples refurb corporate desktop a few weeks ago. it came with a fingernail-sized USB Wifi dongle which was amusing. I didn't try that Wifi dongle yet. 19:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:NVME drives are also known as M.2 drives (form factor wise) M.2 was originally only SATA now it can also doe NVME 19:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:I would put /tmp on SSD too. If it breaks, who cares? 19:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:^true 19:31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:@maddog, aren't there the most re/writes to /tmp though? 19:31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh says:I guess for speed it would be worth it 19:31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:Modern day SSDs are not as susceptible to write death, and the speed increase is dramatic. 19:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Many laptops now only have M.2 drives not even any 2.5" SATA connectors. 19:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:Rule of thumb always said that read/write ration was 80/20 19:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:isn't that just because they have more blocks that act as duplicate though? they still burn out at about the same rate (there are fabrication improvements, I know) 19:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:What font are you using for the "Key Parts, Prices" text? 19:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:I built a system 4 years ago from micro center. II use my M.2 SSD for everything,, and snapshot backup to HD. I've had no issues with the M.2. 19:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:Also because SSD hardware controllers on the disk are spreading writes across the whole surface 19:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:maddog lol 19:37 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:I do, I am sorry 19:37 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker Bill Ricker says:๐Ÿ‘ Bill Ricker says:Whom amongst us has not etc. 19:38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:I have a hybrid disk as my system disk. The hybrid moves the data onto the SSD 19:38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:turn up your mic Josh 19:38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardInfo 19:39 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:Only the last read blocks are moved there. It has 512 GB SSD and 512 GB HHD 19:39 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall says:All of that is done by the disk controller itself 19:39 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall says:Moores Law was always about the "number of transistors", never the power of the system. Power of the system has much to do with heat dissipation, clock speed, decomposition of load, etc. 19:46 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emlRd643NVI 19:46 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I sometimes hear Moore's Law mentioned where the person sounds like they think it's some sort of natural law that nobody understands. I've always figured it was actually an industrial policy, i.e. coordination between developers of disparate hardware components. CPU maker and RAM makers, for example. 19:46 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:Moore's law is a term used to refer to the observation made by Gordon Moore in 1965 that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years. Moore's law isn't really a law in the legal sense or even a proven theory in the scientific sense (such as E = mc2).Jun 30, 2021 19:47 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:it more or less is a policy at this point. (versus a pure observation) 19:48 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:Part of the issue is that chip makers are using techniques that Moore never anticipated at the time. WE are beginning to run into issues as we try to go below 2nm technology. 19:48 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:I'm driving the 4K video with a laptop with i5-620U. No games though just text processing and watching videos. 19:52 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:my fan let's me know it is there, with a nice whooosh 19:52 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:sorry i5-6200U 19:52 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:*lets 19:52 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKjXcewrCvg 19:53 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Thanks! 19:54 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I assume the question was because we're still seeing Brian's last slide. 19:54 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bogstad Bill Bogstad says:Thanks Kurt for the update 19:56 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:show the specs 19:57 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:OK, hold up...I will grab them... 19:58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon "maddog" Hall Jon "maddog" Hall says:I have to go....nice meeting tonight. Sorry about the "cross talk". Sorry about the "cross talk". 20:01 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:Here is my sales receipt ... I can also post the ฮผCenter wish list URL 20:05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:microsoft maybe 20:07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel Brandon Vogel says:Nuance, that then got gobbled by Microsoft. 20:07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C Eric C says:i worked for scansoft in boston who got picked up by naunce 20:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Nuance owns Dragon Naturally Speaking 20:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:Nuance go purchased 20:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Debian and Mageia still offer 32-bit images. 20:12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:For now 20:12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Curt says:Ryzen 5600g is not $199.00 was that on sale. 20:13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:yeah... that was a "package"for Ryzen 20:14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ 20:15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael I (he/him) Michael I (he/him) says:Alpha CPU back in late 90's/ early oughts. Right, Kurt? 20:15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:I ran a lot of stuff on Alpha. 20:15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:LOL...Bill still runs the Alphalinux.org website I think 20:15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman Jerry Feldman says:I actually sent an Alpha system directly to Linus when I was at Digital. 20:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker Bill Ricker says:I think i still have an Alpha here somewhere but haven't used it in ages, since 64bit became prevalent 20:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel Brandon Vogel says: http://alphalinux.org/ no longer resolves from my system 20:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:๐Ÿ˜ฆ 20:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:try www.alphalinux.org 20:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel Brandon Vogel says:aha - www.alphalinux.org 20:18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:it's always DNS 20:19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/espn-tricked-into-televising-football-game-of-fake-high-school-bishop-sycamore/ar-AANU24f ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian DeLacey Brian DeLacey says:What specs? 20:24 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I added that to the slides Brian DeLacey says:will give JABR pdf 20:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian DeLacey Brian DeLacey says:thank you for organizing! 20:31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:Thanks guys! Kurt Keville says:Bill R you look years younger! 20:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Great meeting. Thank you. 20:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker Bill Ricker says:? 20:32 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Ed says:Guess a PC can't be future-proofed. 20:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville Kurt Keville says:sans beard 20:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Josh says:That's a font 20:33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ended at 8:35 pm